{"id":6405,"date":"2005-09-12T17:00:00","date_gmt":"2005-09-12T17:00:00","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.earthwidemoth.com\/blog\/2005\/09\/12\/barthes-the-thi\/"},"modified":"2005-09-12T17:00:00","modified_gmt":"2005-09-12T17:00:00","slug":"barthes-the-thi","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.earthwidemoth.com\/blog\/2005\/09\/12\/barthes-the-thi\/","title":{"rendered":"Barthes &#8211; The Third Meaning (1970)"},"content":{"rendered":"<span class=\"span-reading-time rt-reading-time\" style=\"display: block;\"><span class=\"rt-label rt-prefix\">\u23f3 Approximate reading time: <\/span> <span class=\"rt-time\"> 5<\/span> <span class=\"rt-label rt-postfix\">mins<\/span><\/span><p>\nBarthes&#8217;s essay, &quot;The Third Meaning: Research notes on some<br \/>\n<a  href=\"http:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Sergei_Eisenstein\"><br \/>\nEisenstein<\/a> Stills,&quot; approaches a third order of meaning, an inarticulable<br \/>\nbeyond, extant to the first-order obvious and the second-order symbolic but not<br \/>\nwholly divorced from them.&nbsp; The third meaning takes its shape from a<br \/>\n&quot;theoretical individuality&quot; (55) (close associate to the punctum\/sting,<br \/>\nno doubt).&nbsp; And it is, of course, difficult to name<br \/>\nbecause, as Barthes puts it, the third meaning or obtuse meaning &quot;is a signifier<br \/>\nwithout a signified&quot; (61).&nbsp; Barthes&#8217;s essay-notes proceed through a kind of<br \/>\nawkward profundity; piling through an array of near-descriptors, as near as one<br \/>\ncan get without reducing the third meaning into something it is not.&nbsp; <\/p>\n<p><!--more--><\/p>\n<p>To attempt these notes (<i>on<\/i> notes <i>on<\/i> a thing indescribable), I<br \/>\nhave simply assembled marginalia and annotations, crunched them together here,<br \/>\nas if in a build-up of <i>please make sense<\/i>, so that I can comb through, piecemeal<br \/>\nstyle.<\/p>\n<p>Early distinctions: obvious (55) and obtuse (56).&nbsp; The obvious meaning<br \/>\nis evident; it &quot;comes to seek me out&quot; (54)&#8211;emphatic and important.&nbsp; The<br \/>\nobtuse meaning or third meaning (&quot;the one &#8216;too many&#8217;&quot;&#8230;yes!) &quot;extend[s] outside<br \/>\nculture, knowledge, information; analytically, it has something derisory about<br \/>\nit: opening out into the infinity of language, it can come through as limited in<br \/>\nthe eyes of analytic reason; it belongs to the family of pun, buffoonery,<br \/>\nuseless expenditure.&nbsp; Indifferent to moral or aesthetic categories (the<br \/>\ntrivial, the futile, the false, the pastiche), it is on the side of carnival&quot;<br \/>\n(55).&nbsp; <\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">\n<img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.earthwidemoth.com\/blog\/img\/barthesensteinI.jpg?resize=288%2C223&#038;ssl=1\" width=\"288\" height=\"223\" alt=\"Here, third meaning for Barthes\"><\/p>\n<p>Third meaning gravitates to the curiously disguised.&nbsp; &quot;The characteristic of this third meaning is indeed-at least in SME[isenstein]-to blur<br \/>\nthe limit separating expression from disguise, but also to allow that<br \/>\noscillation succinct demonstration&#8211;an elliptic emphasis, if one can put it like<br \/>\nthat, a complex and extremely artful disposition (for it involves a temporality<br \/>\nof signification), perfectly described by Eisenstein himself when he jubilantly<br \/>\nquotes the golden rule of the old K.S. Gillette: &#8216;just short of the cutting<br \/>\nedge&#8217;&quot; (58).&nbsp; And so it seems to close in on the touching, sensitive<br \/>\nand emotional without precisely locating such conditions. Next: &quot;Caught up in the disguise, such emotion is<br \/>\nnever sticky, it is an emotion which simply <i>designates<\/i> what one loves,<br \/>\nwhat one wants to defend: an emotion-value, an evaluation&quot; (59).<\/p>\n<p align=\"center\">\n<img data-recalc-dims=\"1\" loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" border=\"0\" src=\"https:\/\/i0.wp.com\/www.earthwidemoth.com\/blog\/img\/barthesensteinII.jpg?resize=288%2C227&#038;ssl=1\" width=\"288\" height=\"227\" alt=\"Here, third meaning is dissolved.\"><\/p>\n<p>&quot;If the obtuse meaning cannot be described, that is because, in contrast to<br \/>\nthe obvious meaning, it does not copy anything&#8211;how do you describe something<br \/>\nthat doesn&#8217;t represent anything? The pictorial &#8216;rendering&#8217; of words is here<br \/>\nimpossible, with the consequence that if, in front of these images, we remain,<br \/>\nyou and I, at the level of articulated language&#8211;at the level, that is, of my<br \/>\nown text&#8211;the obtuse meaning will not succeed in existing, in entering the<br \/>\ncritic&#8217;s metalanguage.&nbsp; Which means that the obtuse meaning is outside<br \/>\n(articulated) language while nevertheless within interlocution.&nbsp; For if you<br \/>\nlook at the images I am discussing, you can see this meaning, we can agree on it<br \/>\n&#8216;over the shoulder&#8217; or &#8216;on the back&#8217; of articulated language&quot; (61).&nbsp;<br \/>\nParadoxically, third meaning can be understood (right?) and also steer clear of<br \/>\nthe &quot;critic&#8217;s metalanguage.&quot; Third meaning, in this sense, &quot;outplays meaning&quot;<br \/>\n(63), it takes the side exit on &quot;literacy&#8217;s depletion.&quot; <\/p>\n<p>&quot;In short, what the obtuse meaning disturbs, sterilizes, is metalanguage<br \/>\n(criticism). Reasons: 1. <i>discontinuous<\/i> (61) 2. <i>depletion<\/i> (not filled out)<br \/>\n(62) 3. <i>accent<\/i> (the form of an emergence, a fold) (62).<\/p>\n<p>Just a few more observations, quotations and one or two questions: Barthes<br \/>\ndevelops this notion&#8211;third meaning&#8211;around stills (frames from films).&nbsp; He<br \/>\nargues that third meaning &quot;makes the filmic possible&quot; because it &quot;structures the film<br \/>\ndifferently without&#8211;at least in SME&#8211;subverting the story&quot; (64).&nbsp; The<br \/>\npossibility of an excessive meaning (in this <i>out-there<\/i> stratum) that<br \/>\ndoesn&#8217;t destroy narrative seems important here. &quot;The filmic, then, lies precisely here, in that region where articulated<br \/>\nlanguage is no longer more than approximative and where another language begins<br \/>\n(whose science, therefore, cannot be linguistics, soon discarded like another<br \/>\nbooster rocket).&nbsp; The third meaning&#8211;theoretically locatable but not<br \/>\ndescribable&#8211;can now be seen as the passage from language to signifiance and in<br \/>\nthe founding act of the filmic itself&quot; (65).&nbsp; Barthes explains that<br \/>\nthe filmic is not the same as film (a corollary: novelistic\/novel).&nbsp; Could<br \/>\nit be that this explanation of filmic makes it writable; can the filmic be<br \/>\nwritten?&nbsp; Can writing be filmic?&nbsp; Is third meaning relegated to the<br \/>\nvisual? <\/p>\n<p>More on narrativity and subversion:<\/p>\n<blockquote><p>\n&quot;The <i>indifference<\/i> of freedom of position of the supplementary signifier in<br \/>\nrelation to the narrative allows us to situate with some exactitude the<br \/>\nhistorical, political, theoretical task accomplished by Eisenstein.&nbsp; In<br \/>\nhis work, the story (the diegetic, anecdotal representation) is not<br \/>\ndestroyed&#8211;quite the contrary: what finer story than that of <i>Ivan<\/i> or <i>Potemkin<\/i>?<br \/>\nThis importance given to the narrative is necessary in order <i>to be understood<\/i> in<br \/>\na society which, unable to resolve the contradictions of history without a long<br \/>\npolitical transaction, draws support (provisionally?) from mythical (narrative)<br \/>\nsolutions.&nbsp; The <i>contemporary<\/i> problem is not to destroy the narrative<br \/>\nbut to<br \/>\nsubvert it; today&#8217;s task is to dissociate subversion from destruction: the<br \/>\npresence of an obtuse, supplementary, third meaning&#8211;if only in a few images,<br \/>\nbut then as an imperishable signature, as a seal endorsing the whole of the work<br \/>\n(and the whole of his work)&#8211;radically recasts the theoretical status of the<br \/>\nanecdote:&nbsp; the story (the diegesis) is no longer just a strong system (the<br \/>\nmillennial system of narrative) but also and contradictorily a simple space, a<br \/>\nfield of permanences and permutations.&nbsp; It becomes the configuration, that<br \/>\nstage, whose false limits multiply the signifier&#8217;s permutational play, that vast<br \/>\ntrace which, by difference, compels what SME himself calls a <i>vertical<\/i> reading,<br \/>\nthat <i>false<\/i> order which permits the turning of the pure series, the aleatory<br \/>\ncombination (chance is crude, a signifier on the cheap) and the attainment of a<br \/>\nstructuration <i>which slips away from the inside<\/i>.&nbsp; It can thus be said that<br \/>\nwith SME we have to reverse the cliche according to which the more gratuitous a<br \/>\nmeaning, the more it will appear as a mere parasite of the story being narrated;<br \/>\non the contrary, it is this story which here finds itself in some parametric to<br \/>\nthe signifier for which is is now merely the field of displacement, the<br \/>\nconstitutive negativity, or, again, the fellow-traveler&quot; (64).\n<\/p><\/blockquote>\n<p>Why such a long passage?&nbsp; Just one megaloparagraph.&nbsp; But in it we<br \/>\nhave one of Barthes&#8217;s two references to Eisenstein&#8217;s notion of <i>vertical<\/i><br \/>\nreading (a dilute or thinly-known story-structure?).&nbsp; And I&#8217;m not sure what<br \/>\nEisenstein or Barthes mean&#8211;<i>vertical<\/i> reading.&nbsp; I&#8217;m also interested<br \/>\nin the idea of &quot;radically recast[ing] the theoretical status of the anecdote&quot;; I<br \/>\nguess this works on the analogy still is to film as anecdote is to narrative.&nbsp; 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